I am heading for Sun 'n Fun from Ohio in April and will file IFR over 3
flight legs.
This will be my first flight heading South under instrument rules..
My heading will change from West of South to East of South several times
during each leg of this flight.
The question is do I file for even or odd altitudes ?
I am thinking that I should file the appropriate altitude relative to the
heading to my first waypoint.

I know I should know the answer to my question, but dang this flying stuff,
you are always learning :-)

--
Roy
Piper Archer N5804F

On 3/20/2007 8:49:46 AM, "Roy N5804F" wrote:

> The question is do I file for even or odd altitudes ?
> I am thinking that I should file the appropriate altitude relative to the
> heading to my first waypoint.

File the correct altitude for the first waypoint. ATC will adjust you from
that point forward (assuming they need to do so - sometimes they will just
leave you at the "incorrect" altitude).

--
Peter

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:49:43 GMT, "Roy N5804F"
> wrote:

>
>I am heading for Sun 'n Fun from Ohio in April and will file IFR over 3
>flight legs.
>This will be my first flight heading South under instrument rules..
>My heading will change from West of South to East of South several times
>during each leg of this flight.
>The question is do I file for even or odd altitudes ?
>I am thinking that I should file the appropriate altitude relative to the
>heading to my first waypoint.
>
>I know I should know the answer to my question, but dang this flying stuff,
>you are always learning :-)

Assuming you will be flying and filing IFR in "controlled" airspace, and
NOT on a VFR-on-top clearance, file whatever altitude you like (at or above
the MEA, of course). The odd/even rules only apply in "uncontrolled"
airspace.

In Florida, where most of the airways go N-S, ATC has their own procedure
for assigning altitudes based on those directions.


§ 91.179 IFR cruising altitude or flight level.

(a)In controlled airspace.Each person operating an aircraft under IFR in
level cruising flight in controlled airspace shall maintain the altitude or
flight level assigned that aircraft by ATC. However, if the ATC clearance
assigns “VFR conditions on-top,” that person shall maintain an altitude or
flight level as prescribed by §91.159.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

On 3/20/2007 9:54:34 AM, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

> The odd/even rules only apply in "uncontrolled"
> airspace.

Perhaps in theory, but in reality (and speaking from primarily a northeast US
experience) ATC does prefer to utilize odd/even IFR altitudes. At least once
every couple of months I hear clearance delivery at my home class C airport
in the northeast US point out to a pilot receiving an IFR clearance that
his/her filed altitude is incorrect for direction of flight. In each case, CD
then suggests a "proper" altitude that is accepted by the pilot.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote:

>> The odd/even rules only apply in "uncontrolled"
>> airspace.
>
> Perhaps in theory, but in reality (and speaking from primarily a northeast
> US
> experience) ATC does prefer to utilize odd/even IFR altitudes. At least
> once
> every couple of months I hear clearance delivery at my home class C airport
> in the northeast US point out to a pilot receiving an IFR clearance that
> his/her filed altitude is incorrect for direction of flight. In each case,
> CD
> then suggests a "proper" altitude that is accepted by the pilot.

Yep. FSS has corrected me a couple of times when I've attempted to file
"WAFDOF."

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

ATC has their own rules regarding altitude and they match the FAR for
pilots. If ATC uses a wrong altitude he is required to coordinate it
with the next controller.




Peter R. wrote:
> On 3/20/2007 9:54:34 AM, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
>
>> The odd/even rules only apply in "uncontrolled"
>> airspace.
>
> Perhaps in theory, but in reality (and speaking from primarily a northeast US
> experience) ATC does prefer to utilize odd/even IFR altitudes. At least once
> every couple of months I hear clearance delivery at my home class C airport
> in the northeast US point out to a pilot receiving an IFR clearance that
> his/her filed altitude is incorrect for direction of flight. In each case, CD
> then suggests a "proper" altitude that is accepted by the pilot.
>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:15:18 -0400, "Peter R." > wrote:

>On 3/20/2007 9:54:34 AM, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
>
>> The odd/even rules only apply in "uncontrolled"
>> airspace.
>
>Perhaps in theory, but in reality (and speaking from primarily a northeast US
>experience) ATC does prefer to utilize odd/even IFR altitudes. At least once
>every couple of months I hear clearance delivery at my home class C airport
>in the northeast US point out to a pilot receiving an IFR clearance that
>his/her filed altitude is incorrect for direction of flight. In each case, CD
>then suggests a "proper" altitude that is accepted by the pilot.

Yes, but the question asked had to do with what altitude the OP "should"
file. There is no rule specifying what altitude a pilot "should" file in
controlled airspace.

If you've done much flying in the NE, you've probably had your routing
changed also.

Although the even/odd number rules may be the usual case, in the NE (where
I've done most of my flying) and elsewhere, I've both been assigned by ATC;
and also requested and been granted, by ATC, WAFDOF clearances.

Again, that has nothing to do with what altitude I "should file".

And I am told that in FL, ATC has different rules because of the prevelant
N/S orientation of most airways.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

On 3/20/2007 2:56:15 PM, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

> Yes, but the question asked had to do with what altitude the OP "should"
> file. There is no rule specifying what altitude a pilot "should" file in
> controlled airspace.

And therein is the root of our difference of opinion. I don't interpret the
word "should" to mean "required," as in what altitude is required. Instead,
the word "should" implies to me a request for what is practical and hence my
advice.

In my example, I should always file the correct altitude for direction of
flight if I don't want clearance delivery to correct me, tie up the
frequency, and delay receiving my clearance. But that is just my experience
in the northeast US.


--
Peter

IFR altitudes are whatever you ask for and are assigned in
controlled airspace. Any altitude you're comfortable with
will do.



"Roy N5804F" > wrote in
message
link.net...
|
| I am heading for Sun 'n Fun from Ohio in April and will
file IFR over 3
| flight legs.
| This will be my first flight heading South under
instrument rules..
| My heading will change from West of South to East of South
several times
| during each leg of this flight.
| The question is do I file for even or odd altitudes ?
| I am thinking that I should file the appropriate altitude
relative to the
| heading to my first waypoint.
|
| I know I should know the answer to my question, but dang
this flying stuff,
| you are always learning :-)
|
| --
| Roy
| Piper Archer N5804F
|
|
|

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:32:57 -0400, "Peter R." > wrote:

>On 3/20/2007 2:56:15 PM, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
>
>> Yes, but the question asked had to do with what altitude the OP "should"
>> file. There is no rule specifying what altitude a pilot "should" file in
>> controlled airspace.
>
>And therein is the root of our difference of opinion. I don't interpret the
>word "should" to mean "required," as in what altitude is required. Instead,
>the word "should" implies to me a request for what is practical and hence my
>advice.
>
>In my example, I should always file the correct altitude for direction of
>flight if I don't want clearance delivery to correct me, tie up the
>frequency, and delay receiving my clearance. But that is just my experience
>in the northeast US.

Fair enough.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld > writes:
> Although the even/odd number rules may be the usual case, in the NE (where
> I've done most of my flying) and elsewhere, I've both been assigned by ATC;
> and also requested and been granted, by ATC, WAFDOF clearances.

What's WAFDOF? Wide-area failure, do one's finest?

On 03/21/07 09:32, Everett M. Greene wrote:
> Ron Rosenfeld > writes:
>> Although the even/odd number rules may be the usual case, in the NE (where
>> I've done most of my flying) and elsewhere, I've both been assigned by ATC;
>> and also requested and been granted, by ATC, WAFDOF clearances.
>
> What's WAFDOF? Wide-area failure, do one's finest?

The very first hit on Google provides this:

<http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/WAFDOF>

AIM 5-1-7(e): Block 7 note--Enter only the initial requested altitude in
this block.

Bob Gardner

"Roy N5804F" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> I am heading for Sun 'n Fun from Ohio in April and will file IFR over 3
> flight legs.
> This will be my first flight heading South under instrument rules..
> My heading will change from West of South to East of South several times
> during each leg of this flight.
> The question is do I file for even or odd altitudes ?
> I am thinking that I should file the appropriate altitude relative to the
> heading to my first waypoint.
>
> I know I should know the answer to my question, but dang this flying
> stuff, you are always learning :-)
>
> --
> Roy
> Piper Archer N5804F
>
>
>

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:32:28 PST,
(Everett M. Greene) wrote:

>Ron Rosenfeld > writes:
>> Although the even/odd number rules may be the usual case, in the NE (where
>> I've done most of my flying) and elsewhere, I've both been assigned by ATC;
>> and also requested and been granted, by ATC, WAFDOF clearances.
>
>What's WAFDOF? Wide-area failure, do one's finest?

Wrong Altitude For Direction Of Flight
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Mark Hansen > writes:
> On 03/21/07 09:32, Everett M. Greene wrote:
> > Ron Rosenfeld > writes:
> >> Although the even/odd number rules may be the usual case, in the NE (where
> >> I've done most of my flying) and elsewhere, I've both been assigned by ATC;
> >> and also requested and been granted, by ATC, WAFDOF clearances.
> >
> > What's WAFDOF? Wide-area failure, do one's finest?
>
> The very first hit on Google provides this:
>
> <http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/WAFDOF>

I just love responses where the responder spends more time
suggesting hitting the 'net to get the answer than to just
provide the answer, not including the respondees time to
hit the 'net to get the answer. Not everyone in the world
is continuously connected to the net with a high-speed
connection nor are they fans of Google.

On 03/22/07 11:33, Everett M. Greene wrote:
> Mark Hansen > writes:
>> On 03/21/07 09:32, Everett M. Greene wrote:
>> > Ron Rosenfeld > writes:
>> >> Although the even/odd number rules may be the usual case, in the NE (where
>> >> I've done most of my flying) and elsewhere, I've both been assigned by ATC;
>> >> and also requested and been granted, by ATC, WAFDOF clearances.
>> >
>> > What's WAFDOF? Wide-area failure, do one's finest?
>>
>> The very first hit on Google provides this:
>>
>> <http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/WAFDOF>
>
> I just love responses where the responder spends more time
> suggesting hitting the 'net to get the answer than to just
> provide the answer, not including the respondees time to
> hit the 'net to get the answer. Not everyone in the world
> is continuously connected to the net with a high-speed
> connection nor are they fans of Google.

If you don't have access to the 'net, how were you able to
post your question here?

So you don't want to search Google, and you want someone else
do it for you?

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:33:49 PST,
(Everett M. Greene) wrote:

>I just love responses where the responder spends more time
>suggesting hitting the 'net to get the answer than to just
>provide the answer, not including the respondees time to
>hit the 'net to get the answer. Not everyone in the world
>is continuously connected to the net with a high-speed
>connection nor are they fans of Google.


Quite often I'll look something up myself, as I don't want to wait for
someone else to answer the thread. Then I'll post a link as an answer
for others. Often, but not in this case, the link will have far more
information than I care to type.

In my part of the woods, we call it "contributing useful information."

What did your post contribute?

Since you're obviously very concerned with bandwidth on your dial-up,
why did you waste it with an answer containing no useful information?